Curse

Scythe O F Glory · Jul 03, 2008, 01:27 AM // 01:27

This was a pathetic exscuse of a nerf. So, 50% less dmg woohoo. Its still the same as many other elite skills COMBINED. If your gonna nerf shadow form, make it something like this.
For (whatever) seconds, all hostile spells against you fail and you take 50% less damage. I like that better. You can still farm the Tombs, it just takes longer. Horrible job of nerfing SF, Anet. I think it should be nerfed like avatar of grenth was nerfed.
Edit: so they say that they dont want to nerf Shadow Form Farming as a whole, but what about all the other builds taht were nerfed? What about Protective Bond? Did that really make it "too easy" to farm the Underworld? Shadow form is the ONLY skill where you cant be hit with attacks or spells. Thats like Mist Form and Obsidian Flesh combined. Oh wait... you still cant attack anyone with Mist form. So scratch that. The SF nerf is not gonna help the economy at all. the Chaos Planes nerf WILL help.

byteme! · Jul 03, 2008, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG

What people don't get about such a drastic change in ecto prices... is... that there will now be more people selling than buying, which makes them somewhat worthless and harder to get rid of. So now, people won't bother buying them because the prices jumped up so high, and would rather try to sell them for profit instead, only to find out that they can't seem to sell them. I mean, people can be so stupid on crying about the value of ectos, when their prices would have went up in a month or two when people got bored and farmed other things, or stopped playing all together because of nothing new to do in the game. Let the game go with its own flow, and eventually everything will even out again. It always does.

Clash clash! can't sell ectos to sellers, thanks to you damn whiners... Value of ectos actually went down if you can't sell them... No? don't get it?

WTB Item for 100k +5e instead of WTB Item for 100k +15e. Getting rid of ecto is easy, you just picked the least efficient way of doing it. Ecto value went up because you now have more buying power. Get it?

Golgotha · Jul 03, 2008, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by underverse_ninja

I don't care about Ectos............the 50% damage reduction was unnecessary.........they cried for a nerf and now there are happy.

I agree to a point. The main complaint was the ease at which SF could farm ectos specifically. No one seemed to really care about any other farming spot. The additional monsters and skills added to the Chaos Plains would seem enough to nerf the skill, but the added -50% damage negates its effectiveness in a lot of areas as well. Let's be honest, if it weren't for the ability to solo UW the SF buff would've been under the radar and no one would've cared.

Eh, in the end, I blame a lack of any thought by Anet. Why buff a skill fully knowing what it'd entail only to nerf it less than six weeks later? It's pure comedy.

Tom Swift · Jul 03, 2008, 01:48 AM // 01:48

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Originally Posted by Golgotha

I agree to a point. The main complaint was the ease at which SF could farm ectos specifically. No one seemed to really care about any other farming spot. The additional monsters and skills added to the Chaos Plains would seem enough to nerf the skill, but the added -50% damage negates its effectiveness in a lot of areas as well. Let's be honest, if it weren't for the ability to solo UW the SF buff would've been under the radar and no one would've cared.

Eh, in the end, I blame a lack of any thought by Anet. Why buff a skill fully knowing what it'd entail only to nerf it less than six weeks later? It's pure comedy.

I agree. I believe a fix was certainly in order for the UW farm spot. Although I gladly made several hundred K from it, it was just just too powerful. But the -50% reduction destroys its usability in many locations. In fact the UW run is now actually easier than some non-high end farm spots. The UW run is still as easy as ever although a little slower. Other areas that are far less profitable are now impossible. It would seem they accomplished the opposite of their stated goals by leaving the UW easy while make other areas difficult.

Prezze · Jul 03, 2008, 01:55 AM // 01:55

Hmmmm for the economy???

The only thing that became cheaper was the obsidian armor, but with the lower ecto, demand became higher for obsidian chards. Since more people wanted an obsidian armor. So chards became more expensive. So in all the difference wouldn't have been that big since the pre sf-age. But apperently it was a bad thing that more people could afford obsidian armor.

I've heared so many times it screws up the economy. How then? Like I said above obsidian armor became cheaper?

If I sold a weapon during the sf-age for 100k and 50 ecto, it now will still sell for around the same value. So less ecto involved in the trade.

In the end the only thing this does is make the rich get richer and the poor remain poor.
If I now have 200 ecto they are since the update between 800k-1000k worth, before the update they were 600-700k worth.

In the end I don't care much since i'll find a new way to make easy money. But the non-farmer, non-powertrader get's punished the most.

The solution should have been:
- remove the money cap (no more 100k as highest cash amount in a trade; more then 999k in storage)
- Or decrease the droprate of the chaos planes run

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What I don't get is that the dev's care about the economy but don't care about creating builds anymore. And doesn't an uw hm ursan run create alot of ecto drops + the eternalblade (or is this not high end anymore)... To go ursan you don't really need a brain...

THis game really is becoming ursanwars instead of guildwars

D8tura · Jul 03, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Well about the only thing SF is good for now is running. It wasn't enough to introduce monsters that get through SF and strip it in the chaos plains, let make it worthless for anything but running now......better start learning to runs everyone wants now

frikkus · Jul 03, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

I've never farmed with a sin, or used Ursan other than in the required missioning.

Guess I should try out Ursan 'fore it gets hit with the nerfystick.

cellardweller · Jul 03, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07

Darn it. I was planning to sink the money made farming the dragon festival into ectos in anticipation of the nerf.

*longingly watches the ship sail into the distance*

The Red Messenger · Jul 03, 2008, 02:12 AM // 02:12

Good update! yes, i farmed UW for the first time using this and got sick of ectos by the time it was nerfed. and im glad they did it. was just a bit later than i had expected...

next order of buisness is to see how well my ele can farm raptors with the new shadowform.

Dr Strangelove · Jul 03, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

Damn PvE players nerfing my PvP builds!!!!

D8tura · Jul 03, 2008, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by The Red Messenger

next order of buisness is to see how well my ele can farm raptors with the new shadowform.

tried it - worthless piece of **** to do dmg now - even with intensity and standard of honor

Lest121 · Jul 03, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by D8tura

tried it - worthless piece of **** to do dmg now - even with intensity and standard of honor

I just want them to remove the 50%, Nerf the hell out of Chaos plains make it impossible to farm there for all I care, but don't RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO with my raptor run.

Yobs · Jul 03, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

As I see it one side in "the 4 horsemen" can still be tanked by an ele or sin, just cannot kill much in the plains to prepare. So faster UW clear is still on, just not silly fast. Will be harder with a balanced non-ursan group though if you used mesmers or necro's to hurt things with hexes. Good update, lets face it UW with Ursan still fails regularly as many Ursan have no clue.

Empathy whats that?...must attack with zealous weapon to keep energy up...sigh.

gg for shadow form farming...with some modifications I am sure I could still run the OBF ele in pools and smites. Though mass farming the plains is out

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Yobs

fenix · Jul 03, 2008, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Aahhahahahahaah

So many people are mad about a predictable change. I for one am happy, I just made QUITE a profit from ecto rising

Golgotha · Jul 03, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by fenix

Aahhahahahahaah

So many people are mad about a predictable change. I for one am happy, I just made QUITE a profit from ecto rising

Thank you for expressing yourself in a manor of maturity rarely seen on this side of the maternity ward.

Anyway, its a good nerf to UW. I just don't see the need to nerf the skill further given that they planned to buff the monsters. I don't see the logic.

samifly · Jul 03, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

Good Update although the 50% may be a little too much damage reduction. they could have just reverted it to the old shadow form.

A Poet Named Virgil · Jul 03, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

personally, I don't think the SF nerf was quite enough. Within hours, there is already a build circulating that makes it possible to farm the Chaos Planes.

as for all those people that think anet fixed the ecto price manually, you should just pay attention to the people who noted the number of people viewing this thread.

with a huge panic, people did, as one poster said: buy, buy, buy! It's really not astounding, if you consider how many people would sit there clicking "price" and "buy" at the trader. Heck, I was even going to do it myself once I read the update but found the price at 5.5k already. this is not absurd or astounding in any way.

as for all the QQing about Ursan, it gets people playing *together* which is what Guild Wars is all about. Cooperative play = cooperative fun. Solo farming ectos to oblivion was 1) devaluating things beyond a reasonable threshold, and 2) fueling non-cooperative play. Ursan is reasonable, and cooperative. So I don't believe it will or should be nerfed.

In my humble opinion, I believe that the changes to SF are not drastic enough. The damage reduction seems moot, since it is easily bypassed, and the changes to the UW seem unnecessary. One poster suggested eliminating ecto drops from Spectres; I think this is an excellent solution to the problem. Eliminate this farm altogether and the game will be in a better state. Ursan is a blessing (no pun intended) compared to the damage that Shadow Form caused to the economy and tradable value of everything above 100k.

just my 2 cents

dasmitchies · Jul 03, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

Once again Anet protects their precious game, Oh wait , I paid for it. I agree with Rezzdog. I was really hoping to make up for lost time on GW and fill my hall for GW2. This nerf was all about the oldskool snobs hating on newer players. Waaaaaaaaaaaa Ectos dropped. My armor isn't as leet. Same garbage from the same crowd. Lets have some real fun. Lets push for Anet to nerf protective spirit. Say, 50% health loss vs. 10%? Lets watch the 600 smite teams cry a little too. PVE economy should not be an issue to the developers. DEMAND should be the only pricing factor. After all, when ectos dropped shards went way up. Once again Anet failed to see the entire equation because of whiners.

Steps_Descending · Jul 03, 2008, 03:11 AM // 03:11

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

My faith in ANet went from -9001 to 1. Keep up the good work ANet!

euh... Arkantos. Technically, if these are percentages, 1 would mean 100%, a.k.a. complete confidance (sp?).

So... Who feels like cleanign the dust off the ol' 55/SS team?

Regulus X · Jul 03, 2008, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Little by little, each update gets worse and worse, thus forcing players to ragequit guild wars. I've noticed that is the pattern in the MMO world. Happened in Diablo 2 when I played it, it's happening here, and I can almost guarantee that, if the same team is kept around for GW2, it'll rinse/repeat itself there. History in general repeats itself and that's a known fact. Hate to say it, but there can never be balance.. It's just impossible!